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MtMan
Mon May 13 2019, 10:57PM

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Looks like they want people who are obviously in favor of new taxes and screw the opposition. I hope all of you, that are in opposition of new taxes, will get out and inform others to vote no. I hope that you "no more taxes" people get out, make signs and post them everywhere that is legal. There probably will not be an organised opposition to the fire tax so all opposition will be grassroots.

Remember when they said that combining the fire depts. would "save" money? Yea, right. Look up Willits salary and benefit package. Remember the doom and gloom predictions if Measure Q, the school tax, would not pass? Don't fall for the scare tactics and get the word out. NO more taxes, period.

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Deb Doodah⭐
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I guess I should have read that a bit more closely. I don't agree with increasing taxes either. Maybe if enough people show up at the volunteer meeting to share their "Don't raise our taxes" view, the group will change their direction. The scare tactics that they are using to get this through is ridiculous.
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mountainart
Tue May 14 2019, 07:18AM
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Just my 2 cents, but a public agency that offers pensions that are better than the private sector gets, then forces taxes on the public to pay for their workers to get 90% pay for up to 40 years of no work, while many of those moonlight other paying incomes while getting those pensions is supremely immoral, and anyone that says otherwise is corrupt and deliberately stealing from others who have less just to pay for a retirement lifestyle they cannot justifiably look you in the eye and say it is "equitable" to the average private sector retiree.

It is my belief that it was supreme irresponsibility starting from the 90's of public sector unions breaking the mandates of public service, to instead end up priortising and publicly selling to new recruits the reason to join is to score a better pension than private sector could dream of, and become the new entitled class, kept in comfort better than those who are forced to pay their own retirement.

Holding us retirees living here on a limited budget at the point of a figurative gun ( if you don't pay for their retirement benefits because you cannot afford the extra taxes, they will come and steal " legally confiscate via fiat" your property to pay for firefighter Franks extra set of jet skis) is what they are pushing, hoping the ignorant emotionally based voters do not take the time to see where the money is actually going to help fund. Yes, I am sore about this point, as I have a retired aunt who couldnt pay all the ever increasing pension covering taxes in Shasta, and lost her home she lived in for 50 years, on a limited income. Basically forced medieval serfdom to keep the ruling class eating cake 2.0.

If 51% of people vote yes on this measure, and it puts hardships to the point of those unable to afford it that voted no, that is so immoral that the system of voting taxes to fund pension liabilities should be abolished. Even the fire depts cannot tell you with a straight face that this is Not about trying to come up with more taxes to pay for pension benefits, because their union managementl deliberately relied on an 8% return of their fund forever( which recent channel 5 expose showed that they deliberately, and with managerial criminal corruption hid and manipulated despite yearly returns that were nowhere near the actual returns they touted during union negotiations for higher pension packages)

At the meeting, ask them if patently unsustainable pension funding was not factored, would they have the budget to keep sugarloaf open, and the answer is yes. See if any of them have the honesty to agree.

I am all for keeping the station open, but taxing poor folk just to keep average pensions that are twice the local retirees income is just evil.
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CoyotePass
Tue May 14 2019, 04:16PM
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I think they know it's not going to pass easily, that's why they've started in so early trying to rally support. Did anyone else receive the email survey last year from True North Research, asking how much you'd be willing to pay to "support" the Big Bear Fire Authority budgetary shortfall? I received the survey three times. That alone made the survey a joke, but I replied each time that I would support ZERO tax increases. The survey was designed to sniff out just how much in tax increases I'd be willing to pay if I knew XYZ about the fire authority, their services etc. My answer each time was ZERO.

My point is they have already spent OUR MONEY on that survey process to try and figure out how much to fleece us for. Since it was far from statistically useful I can't imagine they got a clear picture of what we're willing to part with, but they knew then and they know now it's going to be a hard sell, particularly to full time homeowners.

Also that survey made NO MENTION to getting rid of any specific station, only that they needed additional dollars to properly fund the BBFA. I'm guessing the Sugarloaf choice was designed to piss off the entire east end and bring us into compliance since we're the ones most likely affected by loosing that station. We're being played big time, but welcome to America 2019.

And someone should remind them they work for us, not the other way around.
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MtMan
Tue May 14 2019, 04:37PM

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The above is a list of salaries for the BB Fire Dept. Here are the top three:

Jeff Willis, Fire Chief With all benefits in the year of 2017 - $319,693.92

Mike Maltby, Assist. Fire Chief $168,226.02 (2017)

Shirley Holt, Senior Finance Officer $158,843.06 (2017)

Wonder what the benefits are for the current year. This doesn't even include the damn pensions these, and others, will be getting when they retire.

MountainArt, CoyotePass, great points, except, I believe that it still takes 2/3 majority to pass a new tax. I think Measure Q, the school issue from the past, actually won a majority but it did not receive the 2/3 vote to pass. I just can't believe that there are so many that are blind and yes, dumb enough to vote for new taxes.

CoyotePass, remind them they work for us? Damn right and please help when the election gets closer to get the word out and make some homemade signs with whatever the tax will be called. I made signs against Measure Q with a simple big red Q within a black circle and a slash through it. Tack them up high, use a ladder, so that the sheep cannot tear them down easily. C'mon people, this is total grassroots participation. The bastards will be very financially prepared while we don't have the money. Let's do this!

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Lumber Jill ⭐
Tue May 14 2019, 05:29PM

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Jeff Willis: regular pay: $174,499.87 total pay: $283,474.19

For my salary, the difference of those 2 numbers is what I do above and beyond what I am contracted to do (overload, in my case as a teacher, overtime, for most) How exactly did Chief Willis earn $109,000 (62% of his salary) in overtime?

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CoyotePass
Tue May 14 2019, 07:20PM
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Maybe off topic, but does anyone know if the fire dept owns or rents the two warehouses they occupy on W Fairway just down from the airport? I'm still trying to figure out what they are doing with all that warehouse space, the main warehouse is huge. Granted it's just off the runway so I suppose that could come in handy, but is that where they do mechanical work, is it all admin, what? It is an expensive piece of real estate whether they own or rent and I never see the big rigs in there so I have no idea.
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Skyline Drive
Wed May 15 2019, 07:56AM

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Has that Station ever been full time staffed? I seem to think it has only been staffed a couple years before they response was from Bear City.

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Thu May 16 2019, 01:29PM

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Skyline Drive
Fri Jun 14 2019, 06:25AM

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Anyone know if this RUMMOR is true, when the Fire department joined, BBL and CSD that CSD fire retirement was under funded and this is what has caused a lot of this issue.

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MrOwl
Aug 23 : 09:33pm
Hey SCM. 3 car rule in Idaho but rarely does anyone pull in the slow vehicle pullout lane area

SCM ALERT🚨
Aug 23 : 07:55pm
Hey Mr Owl!

Benny ⭐
Aug 23 : 07:39pm
Yeah they've even put signs up along hwy 38, 5 or more cars to pull over. Haven't noticed them on 330, and it doesn't seem like they do any good anyway.

Quakes
Aug 23 : 07:25pm
Thanks for informing me!

BBNona
Aug 23 : 06:36pm
I’ve been driving UTH & DTH for 21 years. One of my pet peeve‘s is when people speed up at the passing lane… Dries me nuts! If you want to drive slow pull over! The main problem is the flatlanders they think they own the road and really they’re breaking the law, I’ve seen so many driving slow and refusingi to pull over . I believe if you have five cars behind you you were supposed to pull over but this is absolutely ignored all the time. Drives me nuts

EvaJ
Aug 23 : 06:22pm
I think there are lots of reasons people might drive a bit slow on the 330. Unfamiliarity, vacation mode, retiree mode and/or just enjoying the view. I think I drive on the slower side because I have a dog that gets car sick and I don't like to feel like I am working hard at driving (if that makes sense). I use the turnouts unless I'm in the middle of a pack and I'm keeping up with the guy in front of me. Even then, if somebody's on my bumper I'll use a turnout. I don't have to do the drive every day so maybe it's easier for me to be relaxed about it.

SCM ALERT🚨
Aug 23 : 03:29pm
Quakes, we usually have 2-3 military helicopters fly through every day up over Big Bear, in addition to the weekly Osprey flyovers. Not to mention the daily tour chopper(s), Mercy Air(H285), etc. The military uses our area as training grounds, which is similar terrain to Afghanistan.

Tlingit
Aug 23 : 02:11pm
I drive slow partially because coming around a blind turn, you never know when there maybe a bolder in the road. isn't it easy just to slow down?

bernermom
Aug 23 : 02:06pm
Quakes...there are usually 3 or 2 military helicopters about every 2-3 weeks....nothing to worry about...I am in your area so they are the norm.

MtMan
Aug 23 : 01:47pm
Dream, you are one of the few that actually slow down when in the right passing lane. Usually most will speed up to prevent anyone from passing them, they seem to have a mentality of "I have to be in the lead". I have always thought that it should be: Lead, follow or get out of the way. Thanks for being courteous, wish more people were like that.

Dreamweaver
Aug 23 : 01:27pm
Driving slow and safe through the curves would be ok if they did not fly through the passing lanes. When towing our boat, I actually slow down when I get to the passing lanes so no one has to risk a speeding ticket to pass me.
Just comes down to being courteous.

wade easton
Aug 23 : 01:18pm
At least on the 18 from Waterman there are 2 lanes and I can pass the vertically challenged. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't alone. I refuse to come up the 330 on Friday afternoons.

Benny ⭐
Aug 23 : 11:48am
ALSO, BE ADVISED, THE BLACKHAWK HELICOPTER(S) ARE BUZZING AROUND MOONRIDGE. YOU WILL SEE AIRCRAFT IN THE AREA AND MAY HEAR QUITE A BIT OF (FAKE)GUNFIRE.

Quakes
Aug 23 : 11:44am
3 helicopters in a row just flew over my house. They appeared to be military helicopters.

Airport Razz
Aug 23 : 11:39am
Really, after 10 years up and down you have to question why DTH dad is driving like either great grandpa or mario andrette?? Wife yelling at him, kids throwing up, and looking at the cliff he is going to drive off in the next 30 seconds. that is why we call them FlatLanders........OOPS.....Vertica lly Challenged to be PC



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