Private home Rentals troubles
Hooky Bobber, Thu Jul 03 2014, 08:04PM

Seems like a crapshoot as to what your neighbor over the weekend. First night party.

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Gutter Duster, Fri Jul 04 2014, 06:37AM

We have one of those wonderful homes in our neighborhood. The home is owned by the rental company and they rent it out almost every weekend. It is constantly being used by more people than it is intended to have. We have called numerous times, but "CODE" says we know about it BUT until 11 pm we can not do anything. Even after 11 pm "CODE" does nothing...

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Ernest T. Bass, Fri Jul 04 2014, 06:51AM

do not hesitate to call 911 if they do any thing wrong, they don't listen when told that fireworks are mot allowed or fire pits or anything that is not fun

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Gutter Duster, Fri Jul 04 2014, 07:12AM

We have tried that also. Again no good results... they are restricted to do only crimes/incidents they can see or can be proved. Our problem is that they rent the home to young adults, who some, do not have respect for neighbor(s) and they have 30-40 people in the home and party. Again code says, we the offended neighbors, must wait until 11pm for them to do anything.

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Ernest T. Bass, Fri Jul 04 2014, 07:57AM

do not call code.
Call the Sheriff or Fire dept which ever is needed.
The Sheriff can not just "blow" it off like code can, Code has no power they can only talk to them

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dd, Mon Jul 07 2014, 10:28PM

Call both. It may help if the neighbors also call.

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lupin, Wed Jul 16 2014, 10:12PM

I have the same problem. I called cool cabins. They seemed pretty concerned and told me that they would contact the renters and quiet them down! I just went in my back room [censored] all the windows on a hot night and turned up the TV.

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cricket, Thu Jul 17 2014, 06:39AM

Call the City of Big Bear Lake today and report it.

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Benny ⭐, Fri Jul 18 2014, 05:55PM


Fire a couple of warning shots across their bow....

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cricket, Fri Jul 18 2014, 07:08PM

Called at 3pm today on one next door...they were out here investigating at 4pm. Hated to do it, but not willing to let it get out of control.

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Socalman, Sat Jul 19 2014, 06:46AM

Good call Cricket.

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Benny ⭐, Sat Jul 19 2014, 03:57PM


Pun?

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Hooky Bobber, Sun Jan 04 2015, 03:44PM

bump

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Oden, Sun Jan 04 2015, 04:12PM

We had many groups next door over the last two weeks. The last was the best. Showed up yesterday afternoon in a yellow school bus (yes, school bus) and parked it proudly in the driveway. The bus was numbered "420", go figure. Went out at 11:00 p.m. while they (all 15 or 20) were having a snowball fight. Advised them they were in a residential nighborhood where people actually live and sleep at night. Response was "whatever". Asked them to please take it indoors before the call is made. Response was "whatever you have to do dude". Call was made, they all were inside shortly thereafter. Luckily this has been the only issue so far this season, but I am sure there are more to come (hopefully not in a bus). Not a fan of PHR.

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Mtngoat John⭐, Sun Jan 04 2015, 04:22PM


All I gotta say is that the whatever dude guy was just lucky it was you and not Frigg.

You sure do go through your fair share of winners over there.

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Benny ⭐, Sun Jan 04 2015, 04:28PM


HAH! I was going to text you last night, I saw that bus, but I have a new phone and lost your #. Was wondering if they were bussing them in next door now or what. Sorry about that Jake, that sucks. Whoever, or whatever agency runs that rental is clearly incompetent, will be sure to steer business away from them.

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Benny ⭐, Sun Jan 04 2015, 04:29PM


Haha, no doubt! While Jake is more than capable of handling the situation, I'm sure Frigg woulda been all, excuuuuuuuse me? And back out in about 30 seconds with a shotgun.

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Craig ⭐, Sun Jan 04 2015, 04:34PM

That is crazy Oden! I probably would have called the cops immediately when I saw the bus

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Oden, Sun Jan 04 2015, 05:06PM

Really, it has been better with the new agency (Big Bear Vacations) than with the previous (Big Bear Luxury Properties). Unfortunately, money talks and those that benefit from it listen. The ones that live adjacent suffer with the BS, their only satisfaction being the ability to ruin the fun of those trying have it. Someday it will end, someday.

Frigg keeps a pretty even keel believe it or not. Unfortunately she had a migraine last night which would not have been conducive to a "confrontation" with the f****n s*******s.



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Mtngoat John⭐, Sun Jan 04 2015, 05:38PM


So does a grizzly bear until provoked.

Give her our best!

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Benny ⭐, Sun Jan 04 2015, 06:11PM




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Hooky Bobber, Thu Apr 19 2018, 08:17AM

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redlite, Thu Apr 19 2018, 11:31PM

Oh how I wish they would do that here

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N42754, Fri Apr 20 2018, 07:31AM

Destination Big Bear was very responsive the one time I called. They were on site within one hour.

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Delj, Fri Apr 20 2018, 07:51AM

Perhaps fines on the miscreant and the owner and the possible agency. Might as well make some money.

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NShore.Allen, Fri Apr 20 2018, 11:12AM

There are two sets of rules: City and county. The county mirrors the city at this point but could change on the outcome of the ballot measure in Palm Springs this June. I believe the city rules are enforced and the county rules not so much.

There was a wild party next door this winter, 15 people screaming at 3am. Called the sheriff and they did nothing. Called the code enforcement and they called back the next day and said to ask for "incident number" from the sheriff.

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Delj, Fri Apr 20 2018, 03:27PM

Excessive lighting can also be a problem. There is a SB County ordinance citing lighting standards in the SB mountains and deserts.

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MrOwl, Fri Apr 20 2018, 04:06PM

That was sure never enforced...at least in my neck of the woods

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Delj, Fri Apr 20 2018, 05:22PM

I filed a formal complaint on-line and, about three weeks later, the 100w bulb was replaced by a 60w bulb.

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Juliann, Fri May 25 2018, 09:56PM

In upper Moonridge the rental situation has really improved since July '17. The rules have gotten much more strict. For one, People aren't to be making lots of noise out on their deck after 10. Destination Big Bear has had a rental next door to ours for a year. The CODE has gotten so much better. Also, Destination BB is really on it, laying down rules when they sign the contract and restating them when they get the key. The situation greatly improved. Those Friday night arrival parties had been the worst. Sadly, the owners have now switched to a different management company, starting in mid-June.... that is not based up here. That company is going to swiftly find out about the stronger CODE rules, I'm thinking.

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Cap'n Crunch, Sat May 26 2018, 09:55AM

Juliann, is the 10 o'clock deck curfew a City regulation or just a policy of the rental company?

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Benny ⭐, Sat May 26 2018, 12:16PM

Yeah that's not accurate, people are aloud out on their deck at anytime, you can't enforce that, I'm sure it's more of a noise code after 10pm.

You can't restrict people from using their property after a certain hour, if they want to go out and star gaze they can. lol

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SCM ALERT🚨, Sat May 26 2018, 12:23PM

Not true. If you set foot outside your cabin/house after 10pm and they see you, you are immediately arrested and taken down to the Glen Helen Mens (or Womens) Prison. They are pretty tough.




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MrOwl, Sat May 26 2018, 03:24PM

Up here we just shoot 'em

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Delj, Sat May 26 2018, 09:42PM

In BBC, deputies have enforced the 10PM policy for noise/lights.

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BaughHumbug, Sun May 27 2018, 07:53AM

Per County Code: According to the County of San Bernardino ordinance, noise levels in residential areas are not to exceed 55-dBA Leq from 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. or 45-dBA Leq from 10:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m.

By the way, Juliann is NOT talking about stargazing from a back deck area, quiet visiting, or enjoyment of our beautiful mountain evenings.

She's absolutely correct, that DestinationBB has really stepped up and been forced to micromanage, but unfortunately, that's what's been repeatedly required due to the behavior of the inconsiderate "guests" staying there. We've even experienced the noise, overcrowding, and parking issues first-hand, and we're located a BLOCK away.

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Craig ⭐, Mon May 28 2018, 03:15PM

This is good to know.. I have a digital decibel meter.... Im going outside now to see who I can get!
I didn't know that was an actual ordinance. Im in trouble because Cammy claims he can hear me talking in Fawnskin and I live in Shay Meadows. I better be careful!!!




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Mtngoat John⭐, Mon May 28 2018, 03:38PM



Well we do know what happens when you sing Happy Birthday too loud.

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©ammy, Tue May 29 2018, 08:04PM




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©ammy, Tue May 29 2018, 08:06PM


And I know for a fact I turned off my ham radio!

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Socalman, Wed May 30 2018, 10:53AM

What happens if I fall asleep on my front porch and start snoring?

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FF Mac, Thu May 31 2018, 10:55AM




Ok so when does this come into play when I can’t sleep at night from Dec-March when Bear Mtn sets up their loudest snow making air guns right outside my window at night? They have plenty of fan guns that don’t bother us, but who enforces these ordinances? I get it.....I live next to a resort, but at some point you gotta be respectful to your neighbors right? I’ve measured 80db at my back door for weeks in a row. Its only the jet guns though.....I think because they don’t have power over on this side for the fans......sure would be nice to get that changed in the winter!


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SSJ2012, Sat Jun 02 2018, 07:00PM

With the snow making, a lot has to do with lack power for the fan guns I believe, I once heard Wade complain that new sub stations are needed but BVES want the resort to pay for the cost of sub stations and increase the rates. I’m guessing it’s why Snow Summit uses their generation plant during snow making operations. Bear is dependent 100% on BVES grid.

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normancay, Tue Jun 05 2018, 12:16AM

Wait...I’m confused, how can the Sherriffs come onto my property and tell me I cannot be on my porch after 10pm at night ?

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Polar 🌌rbit, Tue Jun 12 2018, 07:10PM

Whatever else happens, the reasonable renters are fun to watch, based on two houses across the street over the last 6 hours.

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ButlerPeakFire, Thu Jun 14 2018, 02:42PM



That's interesting. I literally just completed a Design for 2 new substations up there last year! Hahaha


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Juliann, Sun Jul 15 2018, 03:44PM



County.... And the rental company gets strikes against them when sheriff is called about a complaint of noise.

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Juliann, Sun Jul 15 2018, 03:46PM



You're right, Benny.... I edited my response.... it's that people can't be making lots of noise out on their deck after 10 PM.


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Hooky Bobber, Sun Dec 29 2019, 06:10PM

How about a Motor home at the rental

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CoyotePass, Sat Jan 11 2020, 07:21PM

I live in Sugarloaf. The people who bought the house next door to me three months ago have turned it into a vacation rental. No sign, no warning, no nothing. Different cars there every two or three days since Thanksgiving. Never see a cleaner in there between "guests". 1 bed 1 bath house with loft and I've seen up to 8 people and 3 cars on a 2500 sq ft lot in there at once. Does anyone know if there is someone I can call or contact and ask them to force the owners to play by the rules? It's getting really old here.

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SilentSky, Sat Jan 11 2020, 08:22PM

(800) 722-3181 appears to be the number for San Bernardino County’s Code Enforcement and they have an app; search SBCode.

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BaughHumbug, Sat Jan 11 2020, 10:18PM

Coyote Pass, the 24/7 hotline number for all county short term rental issues is 888-399-8591; you will need the exact street address of the property. All rentals must be inspected interior and exterior and be licensed although in the county exterior signage for max occupancy and max vehicles is not required

Definitely call it in, report it, and make sure the owner is licensed. Any property within 300 feet of said rental will be mailed written notice by SB County Land Use Services as to max people & vehicles allowed, property manager’s name & contact info, etc.

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Juliann, Mon Jan 13 2020, 08:22PM

Coyote Pass, Hope you saw all this info : )

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CoyotePass, Sat Jan 18 2020, 05:14PM

Sorry been working long hours late lately. Thanks for the info. I will call Monday. I work 7 days a week to pay the mortgage and put food on the table. I bought this house because the lot was so beautiful and the neighborhood was so quiet. It would appear the house on the other side of the neighbor is also now an under the radar rental too. Both houses are full to the brim this weekend. Just found a steel tipped dart in the back yard when I got home. The house next door has 5 plastic sleds lined up in front of the house like freaking trophies. I think we all know where those are going to wind up. They can't put these houses on Airbnb type sites, how are they finding their "guests"?

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BaughHumbug, Sun Jan 19 2020, 09:59AM

CoyotePass, we bought 10-½ years ago; there was 1 rental a block away. Now, 16 within a 1-block radius so we totally understand. It might be that your neighborhood properties are legit and licensed rentals, the County might be a bit behind in the paperwork to nearby owners. But better to turn them in and know for sure.

Just about any dwelling can be listed on the Airbnb hosting platform, with or without a license, even a single bedroom in a house/cabin, but San Bernardino County REQUIRES the owner to follow the application process, go through the inspections, etc. Advertising on Airbnb without being permitted (or any other platform such as Booking.com, VRBO, Craigslist, local newspapers, etc.) can result in pretty steep fines from the County, and they are not shy about pursuing the $. If the under-the-radar renting persists, the County can continue to fine the owner and could even decide to deny the rental license if and when applied for. You might want to take a few photos as documentation.

Good luck to you. I'm curious to know how this resolves for you.

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Socalman, Tue Jan 21 2020, 08:11AM

Another possibility might be similar to our situation. We are part timers, we have owned since 2002 but our family has owned in BBC since the mid 1950's. While we have only 2 kids, my wife is one of 7 on her side of the family. On my brothers side there are three children. We allow family to use our place (they have to check with us and get the key). We do not have a rental fee, we simply ask them to kick in a bit for the cost of utilities and wear and tear. We also have a few close friends we allow the same privilege. It is possible that to some of the full-time neighbors that we are running a rental property. Nope, just sharing a little bit of what we have.

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Polar 🌌rbit, Tue Jan 21 2020, 10:04AM

I would bet they all respect the privilege and don't abuse the neighborhood.

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Socalman, Wed Jan 22 2020, 12:43PM


I believe they do, though ONE TIME a niece in college went up with some of her friends. You could tell they partied hard, but my niece cleaned well. I hope they did not bother our neighbors. The neighbors know to contact us if something gets out of hand!

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cricket, Fri Jan 24 2020, 08:07PM

I abhor vacation rentals

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Hank, Sat Jan 25 2020, 11:42PM

" Any property within 300 feet of said rental will be mailed written notice by SB County Land Use Services as to max people & vehicles allowed, property manager’s name & contact info, etc." - a lot of good mailing does - the USPS does not deliver mail to residences! only to PO Boxes. So how does that non-action suffice to give the County credit for taking action? How about sending County Sheriff vehicles to the address source of the problem - now that's action!

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cricket, Sun Jan 26 2020, 09:20AM

They probably mail the notice to the address their property tax bill goes to. They already have that address.

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Jellylorum, Sun Jan 26 2020, 01:32PM

What Cricket said. I received snail mail notice of the cell phone tower going in down the street.

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SSJ2012, Sun Jan 26 2020, 09:04PM

Only time the county sends us mail is when we owe them money, other then that we never get the notices.

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Socalman, Thu Jan 30 2020, 12:04PM

We have received two such mailings of proposed vacation rentals near our place in Fox Farm.

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redlite, Wed Feb 05 2020, 04:47PM

Caught the renter this morning trying to use my garbage cans. Ordered him off my property. He was too lazy to walk the 100 feet to the dumpster provided by the property office.


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CoyotePass, Fri Feb 21 2020, 07:27AM

Code has gotten me nowhere so far. "We're in contact with the owner blah blah blah." Meanwhile weekend after weekend it's a non stop parade of strangers less that ten feet from me. Is there a local group organized against this kind of [censored]? The longer this goes on the angrier I get. If I'd wanted to live next door to motel 6 I'd of bought next door to motel 6. These people are raking in the cash at the expense of their neighbors. There's no protection against this happening again and again. Yes I could sell and buy another house only to wind up in the same predicament. It's not fair. Isn't there someone trying to protect the idea of a single family neighborhood? Just because I live in big bear I have no right to a peaceful safe neighborhood where I know my neighbors?

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NShore.Allen, Fri Feb 21 2020, 04:22PM

Coyote, check with CABB.. they may have suggestions. They have a facebook page. Here's a link to an article from the grizzly. You have the right to "quiet enjoyment" of your property..

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BaughHumbug, Fri Feb 21 2020, 05:00PM

CoyotePass, I sent you a private message.

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CoyotePass, Mon Feb 24 2020, 01:14PM

Thanks everybody. Finally seeing some movement. The county is sending out a notice of violation after they found the property on airbnb for rent. Hopefully that puts an end to the big groups and the three cars, but it's still so wrong on so many levels. You work your whole life to be able to afford a quite little place of your own and someone plops a motel down next to you with no warning.

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Dave™, Mon Feb 24 2020, 02:47PM

Actually, I'm starting to get a little tired of it myself. When we bought back in 2004 all the houses around us were either full- or part-time residents - people that we saw every couple weeks when we came up and had established friendship with and could have them keep an eye out when we weren't there. When we became full timers in 2011 only one of them was having family come up now and then. Now all of them around us are airbnb or registered as renters with the county. As a result, we never know who will be our short term neighbors on weekends and some haven't been pleasant experiences. It does indeed take some of the fun out of being here.

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KK, Mon Feb 24 2020, 05:08PM




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Dave™, Tue Feb 25 2020, 08:36PM

Okay, KK. What were you going to say?

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KK, Wed Feb 26 2020, 07:50AM

For the life of me Dave, I can’t remember! 😳

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Dave™, Wed Feb 26 2020, 12:43PM



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KK, Wed Feb 26 2020, 05:56PM


No I’m serious Dave! I have no clue! 😂

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CoyotePass, Fri Jun 19 2020, 01:45PM

So it turns out code enforcement is useless. The owner of the house next door was sent a cease and desist letter months ago. So the owner went through the permit process. Maximum 5 people 2 cars allowed on the 2,500 sq ft lot 700 sq ft house. Last night 7 people and 3 cars check in. They're out on the back deck till 3am less than 10 feet from my house, no masks or anything of course, a bunch of 20 somethings listening to something I would never call music. I called code last night, called them again this morning.

They will "let the owners know". That's it. They have no teeth. If the owner says "So what" nothing code can or will do. Asked about the masks; doesn't apply. Asked about only immediate families in the same house; nothing they can do to enforce that. So basically there's nothing code can do. WTF? I'm ready to go guerrilla. If I could afford to put up a solid fence I would; all I've got is a 5ft chain link fence. I'm going to have strangers of unknown quality and quantity 10 feet from me for the rest of eternity. I didn't sign on for this.



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Ecotour, Fri Jun 19 2020, 03:34PM

Any chance we could lobby the city council or the BOS to add penalties to the ordinance? Maybe even include a provision to share the penalty with the person who reported it. With Geir budget issues the extra revenue might be an incentive. And the owners/agents would soon figure out to hold a deposit so the cost went too the renters.

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Jellylorum, Fri Jun 19 2020, 03:45PM

SO might deal with the noise, after 10 pm.

Fire Dept will deal with them if they have a wood or charcoal BBQ, or bonfire. (Propane is allowed.) They responded quickly to my neighbor's large wood-fueled warming fire in a barrel.

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SSJ2012, Fri Jun 19 2020, 04:09PM



Umm charcoal is allowed, USFS might have restriction in place that only applies to their jurisdiction, but County and City allow it, even during red flag warnings I believe for county. However I honestly wish STR could only use propane BBQs
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CoyotePass, Fri Jun 19 2020, 04:21PM

Hahaha. Yeah. They couldn't figure out how to light the propane BBQ last night. The WHOSH sound and resulting concussive force when they finally got it lit was terrifying. Yeah, but its safer.